@HealthRanger One thing that keeps bugging me about the Carrie Madej plane crash is didn't the plane have an Emergency Locating Transponder? She said air traffic thought that they had landed. I have to assume that was air traffic at an Air Route Traffic Control Center, which controls en route traffic, not terminal traffic. So the airport they were landing at, at the least, did not have terminal radar and most probably was a non-controlled field, otherwise they would have been handed off to the terminal air traffic. If they were handed off to terminal ATC, some one should have known that they did not arrive. But even given that, didn't the plane have an ELT? It seems like everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. You're a pilot, you know this stuff. I'm just a former FAA radar tech.